Beiträge von n@utilus

    mal kurz und knapp


    bei silbermünzen kommt noch mwst drauf und ein prägeaufschlag (ca.2,25) ! deshalb sind silber oz immer teurer als der spot preis !
    günstiger wäre hier zb.5 reichsmark zb.


    bei gold wirds billiger mit der größe, krügerrand ist am günstigsten bei 1 oz münzen.


    grundsätzlich ist bei allen metallen immer ein gewisser aufschlag zu zahlen gegenüber spot preis,der unterschied ist halt wo man kauft und teilweise auch was.


    man kann aber alles auch nahe am spot bekommen,kostet halt zeit und man braucht wissen (wie/wo).



    ich hoffe ich konnte helfen.

    Regional Shortage of Small Silver Continues, Goes National


    There is a good reason we have not seen negative
    money flow from the silver ETF and that is because, as any coin and
    bullion shop dealer can tell you, popular interest in owing silver has
    been strongly rising and very large interests probably sense that we
    are nearing the point where that popular interest could have an
    exponential affect on silver prices.


    Indeed, reports of a physical silver shortage in the
    U.S., especially for small denomination rounds (such as prospectors and
    U.S. silver eagles), 10-ounce and 100-ounce bars as well as other
    silver products have become widespread over the past two months leading
    to the popular notion that demand for physical silver is nearing first
    stage critical mass.


    “About $19 is where we start to see more silver
    product coming in the door right now,” said a very busy Sonny Toupard,
    who runs Royal Coin, a 35-year rare coin and bullion firm in Houston.
    By that he means that when silver is under $19 the supply from
    customers selling their silver to Royal slows to a trickle.


    “Deliverables are hard to find at these prices.
    We’re paying over spot to get product, if we can get it,” Toupard said
    Wednesday 4/2 with silver then in the $17.30s. “The current lack of
    supply is not reflected by the spot price,” he added.


    The silver shortage situation has been enhanced
    because so many dealers, both online and large regional’s, had been in
    the habit of making their own market spreads and booking sales with the
    idea of filling those orders with OPP (other people’s product). It is a
    very common industry practice in the small, but highly efficient silver
    dealer network. Apparently so-called “drop-ship-selling” was not much
    of a problem with silver in the $20 range, but once the price fell
    sharply to $16 and change supplies literally disappeared forcing
    otherwise well connected dealers to scramble to find the metal they had
    already sold.


    Now that prices have fallen, which has usually been
    answered by a rush of private sellers in the past (but not this time),
    dealers are being overrun with new orders by bargain hunters. Orders
    the dealers simply cannot fill without charging extremely high
    premiums, if they can get silver at all to fill them.


    Toupard works closely with large regional bullion
    dealers that are so keen to find silver eagles to fill orders they are
    becoming desperate. He reports that one such large dealer is so short
    of already sold U.S. silver eagles that dealer is begging him to cold
    call old customers in order to get them to come in to sell product,
    even if it means having to pay large premiums for large quantities.
    (For example, a large premium would be something like $2.00 over spot
    for each 1-ounce silver eagle.)


    The silver market is vastly different than the gold
    market. Because so much of available silver is held in private hoards
    there is likely plenty of physical silver out there to answer the
    current demand for it, just not at the current, recently reduced price
    levels. The recent spike in demand has depleted the chronically
    under-capitalized silver market dealer’s limited inventory stocks for
    many silver products and the lower prices just won’t liberate enough
    silver from enough private hands to satisfy the strongly increasing
    demand.


    A Warning Shot


    Some of the demand is laid off in the silver ETF and
    in other physical silver products, such as old 90% silver U.S. coins in
    cloth bags (which still appear relatively plentiful, but have higher
    premiums now), some foreign silver coins (such as Mexican Libertads and
    Canadian Maples), and even in sterling scrap and silverware items. But,
    if the current surge in demand were to continue or even accelerate
    (very possible), then the still very tiny silver market could explode
    higher and silver prices could undergo legendary advances not seen
    since 1979-1980.


    Private sellers (the largest source of small size
    silver inventory after the U.S. mint) would be less inclined to sell
    the more popular the idea becomes that there is a silver shortage and
    buyers would become more aggressive if they thought that a modern
    popular run on silver has begun. This report believes the current
    silver shortage is a warning shot that a popular run on silver is
    probably not that far off now. Any really strong dips should be eagerly
    bought by the growing silver faithful and that should keep a rising
    floor under silver for some time to come.


    Like other actively traded commodities, the paper
    silver futures markets can and often do operate in their own price
    world for limited periods of time as the heat of battle rages on high.
    Profit taking, leading to larger scale selling, leading to panic
    selling opens up opportunities for bargain hunting, leading to position
    taking, leading to panic buying and so on. While the very volatile
    paper markets are getting out of kilter both ways physical metal
    dealers watch premiums for physical silver making instant adjustments
    (from higher premiums to discounts) which also offer opportunity for
    the nimble. Sooner or later, however, the prices for silver on the
    street migrate their way up the very efficient market chain and end up
    being reflected across all markets as the global silver
    supply/demand/liquidity equilibrium constantly asserts itself over and
    over again.


    Unlike gold, there are few very large concentrated
    pools of silver metal to borrow from in times of strongly increasing
    demand. Make no mistake, there are large quantities of silver metal out
    there (in private hands). Much larger quantities than many analysts
    factored in their calculations just a few years ago, but about the only
    thing that will bring that silver out of hiding and into available
    inventory is higher prices. Especially now, when there is a legitimate
    whiff of a popular silver run in the air for the first time since 1980.


    Silver COT: As silver plunged $1.17 or -6.5%
    COT reporting Tuesday to Tuesday (from $17.96 to $16.79 on the cash
    market) the large commercial COMEX silver traders (LCs) reduced their
    collective net short positioning (LCNS) by a miniscule 829 (-1.4%) to
    58,292 contracts of net short exposure. That was as the total open
    interest on the COMEX fell 3,560 (-2.4%) to 145,358 COMEX 5,000-ounce
    contracts.


    While surprising that the LCNS didn’t drop even more
    than it did, we have to remember that the cutoff for the COT report
    occurs on Tuesday and on Tuesday, 4/1, the paper silver market was in
    the third consecutive trading day of full plunge mode. On the cash
    market silver traded as low as $16.34 the ounce on COT reporting
    Tuesday having traded as high as $18.19 just the day before on Monday,
    and having traded as high as $18.54 on Friday, 3/28. That Tuesday was
    also the fourth consecutive day of lower lows for the white metal.


    Until Wednesday, 4/2, there really wasn’t much rally
    action (no higher highs) and so there was little incentive for short
    sellers to close their positions. If that read is correct, then we
    ought to see the LCNS drop by a considerable amount in the next COT
    report provided cash market silver stays somewhere near its Friday
    close of $17.75 or drifts lower. (Which it probably won’t.)



    Source for base data CFTC for LCNS, London Silver Fix for silver from LBMA until 2-26-08 then cash market. As of COT cutoff Tuesday 4-1-2008.




    Source for data streetTRACKS Gold Trust.


    Silver ETF: In contrast to gold ETFs, metal holdings for Barclay’s iShares Silver Trust [AMEX:SLV],
    the U.S. silver ETF, showed a significant increase of 151.35 to
    5,730.30 tonnes of silver metal held for its investors over the past
    week.


    On a calendar week basis, silver booked a net $0.14 fall on the cash market with a Friday last trade of $17.75.


    Isn’t it fascinating that as silver reached its most
    recent apex above $21 and then sold down to as low as the $16.60s that
    we have yet to see ANY negative money flow from the largest silver ETF?
    Friends, we’re seeing the opposite.


    Please see the 1-year silver graph and the 2-year weekly version for this report’s technical and market commentary on the graphs themselves.



    Source for data Barclay’s iShares Silver Trust. As of Thursday, 4/3.


    Source for data CFTC for COT, cash market for gold.


    As the total open interest dropped so fast, how did
    the LC’s net short position change compared to the total open interest?
    The answer is that for the past week the LCNS percentage to total open
    actually increased a little. That’s likely a combination of large long
    liquidation and profit taking which resulted in the big drop in total
    COMEX open interest. This report suspects that we will see a
    significant reduction in the commercial net short percentage to open in
    the next COT report.



    Source for data CFTC for COT, cash market for gold.


    Gold ETFs. Over the past week gold holdings at streetTRACKS Gold Shares, the largest gold exchange traded fund [NYSE:GLD],
    remained unchanged at 642.04 tonnes. As of Friday’s figures that’s
    equal to $18.7 billion U.S. dollars worth of gold bars held by a
    custodian in London for the trust. That follows an addition of 4.91
    tonnes the week prior.


    Gold holdings for the U.K. equivalent to GLD, LyxOR Gold Bullion Securities Limited, rose by a tiny 0.16 to 115.87 tonnes of gold held (as of Friday). Barclay’s iShares COMEX Gold Trust [AMEX:IAU] gold holdings showed a maintenance reduction of 0.02 to 64.04 tonnes of gold held for its investors.


    For the week ending Friday, 4/4, all of the gold ETFs sponsored by the World Gold Council showed a collective increase of 0.23 tonnes to their gold holdings to 807.49 tonnes worth $23.5 billion.


    We should note that as gold metal sold down over
    $100 the ounce there really hasn’t been all that much in the way of
    negative money flow (more wealth leaving an issue or a sector than
    entering) for the world’s gold metal ETFs. Take GLD for example. If
    there had been a major exodus of capital from GLD without corresponding
    and offsetting dip-buying we should have seen a much larger reduction
    in GLD gold holdings than has surfaced thus far. (See the graph below.)


    Where’s the Exodus in ETFs?


    If overwhelming selling pressure, such as one would
    expect if very large, institutional and pension funds all hit the exits
    on gold via the gold ETFs at once had occurred, then the authorized
    market participants for GLD would have no choice but to reduce the
    trading float of GLD (and redeem a corresponding amount of gold) in a
    much bigger way than just happened. Otherwise the sales price of each
    share of the trading vehicle would drop much faster than its net asset
    (gold bullion) value per share.


    While there has been some negative money flow over
    the past few weeks, it is this report’s read that the relatively small
    quantities involved (just a reduction of 21.79 tonnes since March 18 or
    3.3% versus a peak to trough drop of $157 or 15.2% for gold metal) are
    much more consistent with a hot-money fund get-out than a bona fide
    wholesale shift away from gold by large institutions. For now this
    action suggests that the very largest investors in gold metal ETFs are
    not heading for the exits as some commentators in the financial media
    suspected and reported.


    How about another comparison? As the COMEX
    commercials reduced their collective net short gold futures positions
    by 23.61% since February 19 when gold was in the $920s the amount of
    gold metal held by the custodian for GLD has shown a net increase from
    631.15 to 642.04 tonnes over the same period. So the biggest hedgers
    and short sellers have been reducing their exposure while demand for
    GLD increased. Does that sound consistent with an exodus of capital
    from precious metals? Nope.


    That doesn’t mean that there couldn’t be just such a
    major exodus of capital out of gold ETFs tomorrow, next week or next
    month, it just means that so far it isn’t showing. It also means that
    significant numbers of investors are buying the dips so far.

    COT Changes. In
    the Tuesday 4/1 commitments of traders report (COT) for gold metal the
    COMEX large commercials (LCs) collective combined net short positions
    (LCNS) fell a smaller than expected 13,057 contracts or -6.33% from
    206,125 to 193,068 contracts net short Tuesday to Tuesday as gold
    plummeted $56.24 or 5.99% from $938.74 to $882.50. ($34.45 of the drop
    occurred on COT reporting Tuesday itself, so once again we are probably
    not seeing the whole story on LCNS reduction.) Since Tuesday gold
    managed to claw its way back on up above the $900 level for a Friday
    last trade of $913.78 on the cash market.


    As of Tuesday’s COT reporting cutoff, COMEX gold
    open interest fell by a huge 52,800, to 399,393 contracts open. That’s
    the lowest total open interest on the COMEX since September of 2007
    when gold was just gaining its legs above the $730 previous resistance.


    Long-term April 2009 and beyond COMEX forwards added
    a large 4,614 contracts, but still only show 54,731 lots open, or a
    still low 13.7% of total open contracts. If we don’t include April 2009
    (which drops off as the back month in the next report) then long
    forwards would only be 46,381 lots open or a very low 11.6%. Given the
    harsh pullback for gold the increase in long-term forwards is actually
    not as large as we would expect. Those looking for a telltale bearish
    big jump higher in long-term forwards are still looking for it in other
    words.


    More to Come?


    Although the reduction of the collective commercial
    net short positioning (LCNS) is quite a bit less than one would expect
    where the gold price on COT reporting Tuesday was fully $56 less than
    the prior Tuesday, it is really not uncommon for that to occur when the
    largest move lower of the reporting week occurs on COT reporting cutoff
    day. In fact, $34.45 of the $56 move lower occurred on COT reporting
    Tuesday and there were really no obvious or determined attempts at
    rallies that Tuesday and thus not really all that much incentive for
    short interests to close their positions or for newly minted
    “short-term-momentum-shorts” to cash in.


    If true, then we should be able to see a
    considerable amount of commercial repositioning in the next COT report
    even if gold remains flat or increases in price, similar to what
    occurred in mid-November of last year when gold fell $22.48 in the COT
    reporting week ending November 13 with gold then $802.52, but the LCNS
    (only) declined 13,592 contracts that week. The following two reporting
    weeks saw the LCNS decline another 21,000 contracts as gold actually
    INCREASED about ten bucks.


    COMEX Commercials Reducing Net Short Positions


    Interestingly, (and some would say bullishly) the
    LCNS peaked February 19 at a record 252,740 COMEX 100-ounce contracts
    net short with gold then at $927.92. As of Tuesday, 4/1 (six reporting
    weeks later) gold had declined a net $45.42 or 4.89% to $882.50 while
    the collective combined commercial net short positioning (LCNS) had
    declined a whopping 59,672 or 23.61%. Clearly there has been a
    significant reduction in short positioning by the very large, well
    funded traders classed by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission as
    “commercial” on what amounts to a fairly small net move lower for gold
    metal.


    If we ignore for the moment that gold zoomed up to
    test over $1,000 the ounce on a multitude of frightening financial
    concerns (an unsustainable event-driven move higher) and if we strip
    out that added upside pressure at some point we end up with where
    demand for gold metal is consistent with all the other strongly bullish
    fundamentals driving this Great Gold Bull. The market is currently in
    the process of discovery on just that in this report’s opinion. Notice,
    however, that while that discovery process is underway we are
    witnessing a big move lower (repeat lower) in COMEX commercial net
    short positioning.


    For some color on just how much of a move we are
    talking about, as of Tuesday, 4/1, the LCs were about 186 tonnes of
    gold less net short (in paper gold contracts) than they were on
    February 19. They went from being net short 786.11 to 600.51 tonnes of
    paper gold futures. As measured in notional value, as of Tuesday they
    were about $5 billion dollars less net short than in February.


    Rhetorical question: If a gold bubble has just been
    popped, why are the largest gold futures short sellers in such a hurry
    to “get small.” (Translation: Why, when gold has only sold off 4.89%
    since the LCNS peaked February 19 have the commercials dumped 23.61% of
    their collective net short positioning?) Rhetorical question answer: Is
    it because they got so upside down by taking the short side they are
    getting out (covering) now, while gold is in a pullback, while the
    getting is good?


    And, what is it they see on the horizon that has
    them so scared? (They were reducing their net short positioning even
    when gold was going higher!)


    Gold versus the commercial net short positions as of the Tuesday COT cutoff:

    Got Gold Report - Gold, Silver ‘Bubbles’ Pricked? Rubbish
    By Gene Arensberg
    06 Apr 2008 at 05:42 PM GMT-04:00







    ATLANTA (ResourceInvestor.com)
    -- This offering of the Got Gold Report focuses on the notion that very
    large institutional interests are now rotating out of precious metals
    and into other assets once again. The idea that the gold and silver
    markets have been in a “bubble” and that an exodus of capital away from
    precious metals will now decimate metals prices.


    We’ve seen that same argument become popular several
    times since the Great Gold Bull began in 2001-2002, haven’t we? Didn’t
    we hear it when gold first managed to eclipse the $425 level late in
    2003? Remember those very same gold-bull-is-over calls when gold
    touched $730 in May of 2006? Then again at $750, at $800, at $900 and
    now this one with gold having just tested $1,000 for the first time.



















    Quite
    a few analysts, commentators and market watchers are, once again, of
    the opinion that a bubble of sorts has just been pricked in precious
    metals and it sometimes seems all of these metals-bearish experts
    somehow find their way onto televised financial media. To hear them
    tell it, actions by the FED and the U.S. congress have been the pin
    that just got stuck into the over-inflated balloon of precious metals
    and commodities. Really?


    Experts “Schmecksperts”


    I believe it was Mark Twain who said, “Few things
    are more irritating than when someone who is wrong is also very
    effective in making his point.” What if these expert analysts are
    invited on the business TV programs not because they are good at what
    they do, but instead are very good at how they say it? (Or worse,
    because they are good looking.)


    Citing evidence such as high volume in mining stocks
    without meaningful advance of mining stock indexes (distribution by
    “smart money” to “dumb money” said one such commentator), rapidly
    falling prices for gold and silver, now rising Big Market indexes and
    other, similar indications, these otherwise respected and closely
    followed pundits are heralding a coming “crash” in metals prices as
    they presume that vast amounts of wealth which “chased the metals
    craze” is about to be “crushed” in a “flood of liquidity back out of
    commodities and into equities.”


    Metals craze? Rubbish!


    Let’s skip straight to the conclusion which is that
    the indicators this report follows closely just can’t confirm that
    bubble-pricked theory. Not yet anyway. Besides, if gold and silver were
    in a true bubble just about everyone would own some or have exposure to
    the sector in their 401Ks and IRAs. That is certainly not the case
    today. If we were in a true bubble for precious metals there would be a
    great deal more popular excitement about them than there is today and
    it’s pretty safe to say that if we were in a true bubble many of those
    same analysts, the “schmecksperts” that are now confidently and
    self-assuredly calling a top in gold would be advising people to buy,
    buy, buy!


    COMEX Commercials Reduce Net Short Position


    Resource investors who are diligent readers will
    learn in this report that over the past six reporting weeks the largest
    of the largest traders of gold futures have reduced their net short
    positioning by 23.61%, enough contracts to cover about 186 tonnes of
    gold metal. Clearly those bullion bank and hedge-trading veterans
    aren’t aggressively positioning for strongly lower gold prices. To the
    contrary. Yes, they remain considerably net short gold, but a lot less
    net short than they were just after Valentine’s Day. They may not have
    reduced their net short positions as much as we might have expected
    over the past week, but there are probably good reasons for that. Read
    more about that in the COT Changes section just below.


    Indeed, in late March gold metal was being returned
    to gold lenders at such a fast clip and the demand to lease gold
    dropped so much that even with the drop in short-term interest rates
    for a while it was actually cheaper to borrow gold metal than it was to
    borrow cash at LIBOR resulting in short-term negative gold lease rates.
    A clear sign of widespread gold short covering and a drop in demand for
    gold borrowing. Very short-term negative gold lease rates are somewhat
    bearish, usually pointing to or answering a snap-down lower, but they
    are extraordinarily bullish longer-term. We’ll have more about that
    easily misunderstood topic in future reports or in a separate article.


    Demand for Silver Robust


    Despite the current sharp sell-down for silver prices in the paper silver markets underway since the last Got Gold Report,
    we still see significant positive money flow (more wealth entering than
    exiting) in the U.S. silver ETF. Persistent reports of a widespread and
    growing shortage of physical silver continue to surface indicating very
    strong and growing popular on-the-street demand for the white metal in
    the U.S.


    If institutional investors are “exiting the metals
    in droves” as some analysts would have us believe, then why isn’t there
    negative money flow in the silver ETF and why are there actual physical
    shortages of silver metal out there right now? Read more about that in
    the Silver ETF section below.


    Mining Shares Argument


    Finally, regarding the most compelling argument the
    gold-bubble-is-popped market watchers point to, which is that volume
    has been extra high for gold mining companies but without meaningful
    advances in the mining shares indexes as gold tested the $1,000 level
    and silver tested $21. That’s actually an accurate assessment relative
    to gold metal compared to past leverage and the miner’s inability to
    leverage gold gains would ordinarily be worrisome all else being
    “normal.”


    However, the markets since last July have been
    anything but “normal.” One only has to look at the relationship between
    mining shares and the Big Markets to quickly understand why volumes
    have been so high relatively speaking for mining shares. Compared to
    the Big Markets the miners have been a great place to be. (See performance comparison chart.)


    When investors go looking for liquidity, when they
    have to have cash aren’t they more likely to go looking for it where
    they have a profit? Can’t we argue that since the big miners did so
    well compared to the rest of the Big Markets that’s a sign that Big
    Money has stayed with them?


    Bottom Line


    The bottom line for this report is that despite the
    popular calls for a wholesale and massive exodus of capital from
    precious metals, the indicators this report follows closely for both
    gold and silver just do not support those ideas very well. Although it
    is entirely possible that our read is dead wrong, this report continues
    to believe that the current pullback in precious metals is just that, a
    good pullback. To know more as to why we take that position, please
    read on.


    Significant to strong dips in both gold and silver
    bullion are for buying now and for the foreseeable future in this
    report’s opinion. (Especially silver, and please see expanded
    commentary about silver below in the Silver ETF and Silver COT
    sections.) As always that is provided short-term traders using indexes
    and ETFs for trading vehicles instead of taking delivery of actual
    metal are disciplined in the use and management of reasonable trailing
    stops for protection.

    charts bei uran bringen eh nichts..wenn du mit dem langfristigen verlauf der letzten jahre vertraut bist.
    im grunde ist eh nur der term preis wichtig und der sitzt seit monaten bei 95us$.

    preise der db bank gibts nur bei bullionpage....die lb-bw hat zb.immer morgens ein aktuelles pdf auf der hp..bei der db wie bei vielen anderen banken findet man nichts..
    aber bullionpage is ja ganz gut..ansonsten einfach am schalter nach dem preis fragen...oder anrufen....aber wie gesagt,in sachen krüger hab ich seit tagen/wochen keinen billigeren anbieter gefunden auf tagesbasis.

    ist euch eigentlich schonmal aufgefallen das die deutsche bank in sachen gold mit der billigste händler ist !???


    würde man garnicht denken,wa??


    kein porto und super preise die so wie mir das vorkommt nur einmal am tag gefixt werden.


    vorgestern gabs da zb. krüger für 580€ !!


    nur mal so...


    gruß :thumbup:

    hab letzte woche hier im forum ne 2007er günstig bekommen :thumbup:


    ja,das problem ist,die sind eher selten und das meiste landet glaub in amiland.sogar bei ebay Uk findet man nicht viel.


    also wenn man so ein stück mal zum spot oder leicht darüber bekommt sollte man immer gleich zuschlagen.